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for everything that occurred in the

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rental champions incident that doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our heads he

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classic flying saucer really standing in

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the clearing he turned over to my father

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and held his hand and he looked in his

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eyes and he said we're not alone

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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host

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and alejandro rojas is coming up with

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ufo updates in just a minute our guest

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this evening is justin barber now he's a

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director for a soon to be released just

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in a couple of days

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a movie called phoenix forgotten it's

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based on the phoenix lights but you know

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with a lot of twists and turns it's it's

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and uh also we are on the dark matter

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so i think that is going to be it oh yes

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in our everything else uh show uh this

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coming monday is with randall carlson so

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alejandro how are you

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hello i am good good you know i've

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watched your uh you know i've watched

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your facebook page man you are

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everywhere on tv

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all over the place with beautiful women

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my goodness what's going on uh well i

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i've just got a lot of beautiful women

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that follow me around i kind of have an

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entourage

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just kidding

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movie called phoenix forgotten that's

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based on

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the phoenix lights and uh they liked uh

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me so much that they decided

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to do uh to

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have me work with a

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promotion company and they scheduled a

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bunch of local interviews for me uh to

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talk about the phoenix lights uh ufo

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incident and about how this movie is

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gonna be out

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and so it's kind of cool so it gives me

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a chance to kind of promote open minds

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and everything and then uh and also

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share information that people probably

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don't know about the phoenix sites some

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some of the credit credibility uh

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around the case and how uh it really is

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a fascinating case so

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it's it was fun i have one more to do

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otherwise yeah yesterday was a big day i

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did um a couple and i've got

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like uh most of it posted on my facebook

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there's still a couple links to a couple

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of the uh online or the on-camera stuff

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that i did that i don't have links to

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yet but they say they're going to be

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able to get them so yeah if you go to

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the open minds facebook or my personal

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alejandro rojas facebook you'll find uh

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links to watch those those interviews

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actually in all instances all of the

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on-screen interviews have been with uh

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movie that we showed at the ufo congress

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last year so last year there was a movie

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called phoenix incident that had the

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same premise it was about the phoenix

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lights and these guys go in the desert

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and some crazy stuff happens and it's a

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found footage so

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very very very similar but that one was

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i haven't even seen it yet and it's

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called phoenix forgotten so the new one

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phoenix forgotten which uh begins on

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the as the other one the year ago has

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digital release sort of thing uh they're

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trying new things and they're gonna have

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a new app out soon uh for the movie so

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gamers actually it's a game developer

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who created uh that movie so they've

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been trying new and different things

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with that movie but this phoenix

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forgotten which lunch is on friday i

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think is going to be more traditional uh

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kind of like a scary movie basically

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are both horror movies so you're not

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really gonna find any history or or

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insight into uh the phoenix sites uh

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incident um in either of these movies

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which are really popular with the kids

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that's right that's right so what is

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type of stuff that has been making news

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uh this week has been

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the search for alien laser signals now

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we've heard about this before but uh

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there's just kind of a more concerted

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effort and there's been more talk about

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these groups have been scanning the

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skies at different universities around

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to look for photons so essentially to

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look for lasers uh because they feel

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it's sort of a steady effort where they

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feel that uh it's a better way uh to

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look for alien signals than radio

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thing and that's gotten quite a few

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stories out there this week so it's

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especially scientists who are looking

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for aliens uh news out there so you know

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there's been several stories on that you

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can find that in our daily ufo headlines

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this one is from austria and it is kind

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of interesting although this is a on the

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beginning of this video i kind of feel

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like you can hear some buzzing or

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drone but you only hear it for a few

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seconds at the beginning and it looks

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like perhaps that's because one of these

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lights was was going up in elevation so

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it wasn't far enough away where you

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what it kind of appears like but it's

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of this video it's a mufon video this

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was a case submitted to mufon

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and a video it happened outside of lower

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the witness said it was very dark and

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they were in a deserted secluded kind of

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and when they saw these three lights

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now um some have said it looked

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triangular but three lights are always

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going to be in a triangular formation

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unless they're aligned so i and i think

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these were all separate objects and when

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it does seem like that and they do look

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to be different colors um so it is kind

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of interesting that way too so the

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witness actually said that they were

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so people have to watch it now i like i

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said i kind of think these might be

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drones that kind of feel like i heard a

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drone nose noise at the beginning of the

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video um if they're not drones then it

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is interesting because they are moving

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around you know they're kind of uh

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moving around fairly quickly they're

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staying like near each other but just

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kind of flying around

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so um and three drones you know some

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them you know they're really high that

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in whatever triangular formation or does

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that change no it changes not at all

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possible so for instance when one

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is moving to the left it moves past the

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others where if it were a solid object

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it would block the light from the

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monsters um so

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uh so yeah it's it is an interesting

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to check that one out another one that

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we posted just yesterday both of these

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from roger marsh their mufon cases

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is from philadelphia and this is a

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square object now this person took some

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pictures and if you zoom in you can see

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kind of a square object here but he said

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it was a slow slow-moving square-shaped

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object that uh slowly moved overhead

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um he was at the corner of algonae and

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kensington in philadelphia on april 3rd

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2017. this was at 8 00 a.m so it's kind

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of nice that this is a daylight sighting

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um but uh yeah this person saw they

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thought perhaps it could be debris on

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an an air current but he said it was

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moving too steadily and slowly he felt

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to be uh you know just floating on an

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it's interesting and it doesn't seem to

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be reflective it doesn't look like a

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it could possibly be some kind of black

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that one out people have to take a look

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at this one it's kind of cool yeah

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so is that it for this uh there's this

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session

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that's great am i missing some big news

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did you hear about that no uh

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just there seems to be

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a lot going on with the search for

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extraterrestrials uh you know just in

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like science news here and there that

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it's probably a lot of rehashing and i

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know that you look into this a lot more

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than i do so i'm sure you're seeing that

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around yeah

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mostly it's the alien laser thing which

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is just getting a lot of people to think

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um and then of course last week we

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talked about the the nasa news around

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saturn did we talk about that i think we

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did yeah um

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and about how they found you know

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essentially these materials spewing out

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of pardon me we did we we talked that it

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was going to happen

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um the day the day after the show but we

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never talked about the results of it

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oh

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so let's talk about that

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yeah so essentially what they found was

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that um

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you know one of saturn's moons is

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spewing uh they were able to analyze

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what's coming out of it and what they

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were able to find coming out of it is

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similar uh to what we have in our oceans

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that essentially

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microbes eat off of

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and what that means is that

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uh

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it's possible there are microbes in the

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water

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um that supports a whole ecosystem

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because then you know plankton or other

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things

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feed off of the microbes and then bigger

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animals feed off of that so because they

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were able to monitor that that it has

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essentially potential food for microbes

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in its water that that's another

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indication

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that if there could be life

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under the ice of enceladus that's the

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name of the moon where uh there's

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there's these vast oceans so

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very very interesting it is now i wonder

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if the same detection um the scientific

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method of the detection of

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those i don't want to say elements but

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whatever it was that they found i wonder

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if they could also um see if there was

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actually microbes present or not

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i don't think so

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and the reason i say that is i've i've

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before and i've asked them questions

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like this and what they say is a lot of

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this equipment

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like the rovers so for unfortunately if

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the rovers found something that looked

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like it may be organic they don't have

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the equipment to confirm that because

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the equipment they have can analyze um

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like the the makeup of something so for

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instance

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the material like that

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but not necessarily uh

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whether or not it's organic or

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living or not

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so

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essentially it doesn't seem

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at least

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like they have the proper equipment on

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these these devices to be able to

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confirm that or not i think so for

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instance they would be able to confirm

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gases or

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or maybe carbon or something like that

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but from what i understand to confirm

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life you actually have to get a sample

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and put it under a microscope

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and

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that will be something they're looking

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towards in the future and and that's

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something that for instance the rovers

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just don't have

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um

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yeah so yeah and it's kind of

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frustrating because it's one of the

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things

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that they would need

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and it seems as though it's not until

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they can confirm that you know the

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molecular structure or the makeup of

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something looks to be organic would they

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even develop

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uh the craft to have

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yeah for all we know there could be a

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microscope to go out it could be like

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squids coming out of this uh thing or

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something you never know yeah

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so it so and it would take a long time

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for them to develop the project and get

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the spacecraft out there with the proper

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equipment to be able to confirm life so

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even if they see stuff with what they

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have that that seems pretty

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you know uh evident that it's life so

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for instance let's say they found some

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little dead squid on mars

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maybe

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all they would be able to do is visually

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confirm that it looks like it but they

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would have to send something else out

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there to confirm that it was uh uh you

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know a remlant remnant of life oh wow

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that's amazing yeah it's all very

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complicated yeah it's not as easy as it

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seems like they would make it but

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anyway that's it is what it is an

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announcement i did forget to make is our

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our guest this evening justin barber

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he's a director he's not really a ufo

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type of guy we're going to be talking

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about the movie so in that case

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um when we're done speaking with him

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it's going to be open lines and i'll

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have the

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phone number posted and i'll out so you

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can connect with skype and i'll talk

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about that later as we go along

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alejandro thanks so much

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my pleasure alright everyone hang in

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there for just a minute after this music

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break we'll be right back with justin

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[Music]

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so

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[Music]

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hello there

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how are you justin

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i'm good we are we are live at the music

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the music got over uh a little bit

429
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quicker than i thought it would

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okay

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cool well thanks for having me yeah

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thanks so much so uh welcome to the show

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and uh this movie looks like it's gonna

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be really interesting i i just saw the

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trailer but um i want to find out a

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little bit about you how you got

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interested and took on a project like

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this and got involved in all that so

439
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first of all um how

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did you get interested in this i mean

441
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you have to have some interest in this

442
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topic

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to uh to to work with this so

444
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how did all that happen

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well i guess it all started 20 years ago

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um the night of march 13th 1997

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in phoenix arizona some people say

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hundreds some people say thousands of

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people witnessed this formation of

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lights in the sky that they perceive to

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be

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um some ufo or alien spacecraft

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and uh ira was a high school kid at the

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time living in florida and i remember

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seeing it on the news and

456
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this was the 90s and it was like peak

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x-files and uh i was into all that kind

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of material i just really always

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gravitated towards stories like that

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sci-fi stories

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and i actually remember writing an

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article from my high school newspaper

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about the phoenix lights

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um so anyway flash forward now 20 years

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um i uh

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i started out in my career in hollywood

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working as a graphics guy a visual

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effects artist a digital effects artist

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and i was working alongside this guy

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named westball

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and we had this other friend from my

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film school florida state t.s nolan

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um we all went to school together and uh

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one night they were at the office

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watching that movie catfish which was uh

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this kind of documentary mockumentary

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type uh i guess thriller

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um but anyway what what they liked about

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that movie was that it was sort of hard

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to tell if it was a real documentary or

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if it was staged

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um and so we're also big fans of the

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original blair witch project and we're

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big fans of uh spielberg's close

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encounters and the original idea for the

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movie was

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uh let's just make a cool ufo story

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about these three kids let's make a try

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make a cool uh found footage close

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encounters

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and um it just that particular device

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works really well for this type of story

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because it's about a kid who films a ufo

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and then gets obsessed with it and wants

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to go film it again so the camera is is

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particularly an important object in the

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story for this character

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um at the time i've been doing uh i got

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into commercial work i started directing

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commercials and a lot of that work was

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documentary in nature

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and uh like a typical job for me would

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be i would i would get hired by a

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company like ge to go make a documentary

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about a new piece of technology they had

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um and so wes nts thought of me for this

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movie um because they wanted it to be

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like this documentary that goes off the

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rails that has a big twist in the middle

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and becomes more of a found footage ride

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a sci-fi ride

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and that's when they thought i'd be a

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good fit for the project and then it was

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originally just this ufo story not

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linked to any real event but because we

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wanted it to be a documentary and really

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nail the authenticity of that really

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make something that felt believable like

519
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a contemporary doc i thought what better

520
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way to to do that than to set it against

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something that really happened

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so the phoenix lights ufo sighting is a

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real real event

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um but we've invented fictional

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characters and are telling a fictional

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story so for us it's a backdrop and it's

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jumping off point for this this sci-fi

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so is part of it um as part of the

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beginning of this actual like the

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footage uh that was actually filmed back

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in 1997

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yeah that's kind of the uh

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what the movie's about in a way it's i i

534
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kind of imagined it this way uh the

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phoenix likes is a real event

536
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a lot of people have heard about it if

537
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you google the phoenix lights you will

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see this iconic footage of these lights

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in the sky

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um and if you've seen the shadow on

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movie signs there's that scene where

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they're watching the news and they see

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the lights in the sky and i think that

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is inspired by the phoenix lights uh

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event the real event that's how iconic

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it is

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but

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um you know i always wondered you know

549
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who was the guy who actually shot that

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footage i know the footage but is there

551
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a story

552
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behind the footage and we invented this

553
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character josh bishop who it's actually

554
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a little bit autobiographical

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um in that you know my main character

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josh is the same age i was in high

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school

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and so

559
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,919
he films the phoenix lights and he gets

560
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,000
obsessed with it his footage and his and

561
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:30,080
himself are featured on the local news

562
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,360
and at that point he gets obsessed with

563
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:33,600
it he kind of catches the ufo bug and he

564
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:35,440
goes on an adventure to investigate it

565
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:37,120
and film it again and he ropes in these

566
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:38,159
two kids

567
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:39,520
these two other friends from high school

568
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:40,480
so

569
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,600
um

570
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:42,799
sorry i think i went off on a tangent

571
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,760
there but

572
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,039
does that answer your question yeah yeah

573
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:48,240
so um so basically what what it sounds

574
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:49,039
like

575
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,400
it's more or less

576
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:52,799
um would you call it a horror like a

577
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,280
horror film really

578
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,039
it is it is a horror film

579
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,720
which uh yeah which is building which

580
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,400
seemed to have a really good success

581
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:03,120
with younger people today and um you

582
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,640
know one of the things we talk about a

583
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,480
lot in the show is how to get younger

584
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,080
people more interested in actual

585
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:10,240
sightings and you're going to have part

586
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,679
of a site you know part of something

587
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,440
that really did happen

588
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:14,880
which i think is kind of an interesting

589
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:17,280
twist you know um

590
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:20,320
you some people may when they see based

591
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:21,120
on

592
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,559
type of thing they may think well you

593
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,320
know this this person really did go

594
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,840
missing you know these

595
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,960
type of things

596
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:30,799
can't help but happen

597
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,520
but um it also could spur someone into

598
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,520
really looking at you know knowing that

599
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:37,679
this really did happen looking into it

600
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,799
so um i think it's a good thing i did

601
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,559
i did put on my documentary filmmaker

602
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,400
hat at the beginning of this i really

603
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,000
tried to

604
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:48,080
you know treat this as the process as if

605
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,440
i was a documentary filmmaker and i was

606
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,120
making a doc about this real world event

607
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,880
so i did go to phoenix i did a lot of

608
00:23:55,270 --> 00:23:54,240
research i kind of watched everything

609
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,280
that was out there about the phoenix

610
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,200
lights and read a lot and i did go there

611
00:24:00,870 --> 00:24:00,080
and talk to experts and just locals like

612
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,880
uh

613
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:02,240
i did manage to find a couple of people

614
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:03,360
who said they actually stopped you did

615
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:06,240
you so you spoke to some witnesses

616
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,240
yes i did yeah i mean here's where i

617
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,159
break down on the actual event and that

618
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:11,679
is that

619
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,880
i think

620
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,480
there's the photographic evidence and

621
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,480
then there's what the eyewitnesses say

622
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,320
and eyewitnesses describe this formation

623
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:19,840
of lights that when it flew over their

624
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,799
heads

625
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:22,400
it appeared to block out the stars

626
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,440
behind it in other words there was this

627
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,360
big dark object and it had these lights

628
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,640
but they could definitely tell that

629
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,679
there was structure there although they

630
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:28,960
couldn't see it

631
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,760
um

632
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:31,200
and it was just massive and it made no

633
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,720
noise whatsoever

634
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:34,400
but then there's the

635
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:37,200
video and the footage and the stills and

636
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,159
to me actually that does just look like

637
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,720
military flares uh illumination flares

638
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,400
dropped from a couple a-10 warthogs i

639
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,000
think is what they have the official

640
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:47,919
explanation is now when you actually

641
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,960
look at the footage from start to

642
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,480
footage finish

643
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,559
um it's not as dramatic as it is often

644
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:53,840
made out to be when you see it like

645
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,320
packaged in a tv show or a documentary

646
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:01,039
but that being said the the eyewitnesses

647
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,480
don't necessarily describe what i'm

648
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,799
seeing in this uh video or in this in

649
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,880
these stills so one thing one guy in

650
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,200
phoenix told me his theory is that the

651
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:11,200
flare drop did happen but it was a

652
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,400
diversion

653
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,360
from this alien craft that actually was

654
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,159
hovering over in the opposite direction

655
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,640
so take that as you will um really

656
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:22,159
everybody i talked to had a different

657
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,679
theory about what it was or different

658
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:25,520
yeah that's right and um you know there

659
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,440
is uh there is um there is a lot of

660
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,600
speculation that's exactly what happened

661
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,120
it was a diversion

662
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,799
um to drop those flares when they did

663
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,480
because the the

664
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,320
a lot of the footage that you see of the

665
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,799
phoenix lights like on youtube is

666
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,640
actually the flares

667
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,880
um and that was uh starting you know i

668
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:46,480
think 10 o'clock when people were

669
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,600
actually seeing

670
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,840
what is noted as the real phoenix lights

671
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,679
the crafts

672
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,679
and i say crafts because it seems like

673
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,760
there may have been three but i don't

674
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,279
really know two or three or something

675
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,799
like that possibly

676
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,960
but that started at eight o'clock and

677
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:02,880
you know flares don't sit around for a

678
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,760
couple of hours for one thing and uh so

679
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:08,080
there is there is a lot of

680
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:09,840
you know speculation exactly what that

681
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:12,720
was about but there was also

682
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:15,200
you know this was uh i think i'm trying

683
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,640
to remember what

684
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,960
the pilot's name was but actually

685
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:20,960
there's a pilot that actually went out

686
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,200
flew out to take a look at it and

687
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:25,200
i guess she was really shaken up

688
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,400
you know

689
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,760
well actually that that's not something

690
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:29,360
i came across

691
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,559
but it just goes to show how much

692
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,480
material and talking about this event

693
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,320
there there is and has been over the

694
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:36,000
years you know the other thing too is

695
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:37,360
that some of the real eyewitnesses i

696
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:38,400
talked to

697
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,480
um some were very genuine and i i

698
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,159
believe that they believed what they saw

699
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,679
and and what they described as i

700
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,440
described earlier but then other people

701
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:47,520
i interviewed who

702
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,559
um

703
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,320
who saw it or said they did it was

704
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:52,000
obvious that their story was changing as

705
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,200
i interviewed them

706
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,559
um like just facts didn't remain

707
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:56,240
consistent and and as i got through the

708
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,360
interview i could kind of tell that they

709
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:59,440
were sort of telling a tall tale so i

710
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,400
mean there is stuff like that that

711
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,559
muddies the waters and also makes you

712
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,919
think like well it is possible that all

713
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:05,279
these people are just

714
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,080
telling a tall tale um again it's like

715
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,919
the photographic evidence and it's all

716
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:11,279
it's all just the video and then stuff

717
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,039
that you hear secondhand

718
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:14,400
and um

719
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:15,679
you know i don't know if we'll ever know

720
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,720
right right

721
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:18,960
at least that's my impression yes

722
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,840
we had um oh geez i just forgot her name

723
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,159
i want to say oh

724
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:26,480
doctor well she was on the show yes a a

725
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,360
few weeks ago but um the

726
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,360
uh barnett um

727
00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:33,520
marsha barn i'm getting two different

728
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,400
people confused but she was actually um

729
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:38,240
involved in the government she took all

730
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:38,960
the

731
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,799
good feedback she's really a solid uh

732
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,440
really nice lady um but you know she

733
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,880
went through a lot of grief just trying

734
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:52,720
to figure out what this was and when a

735
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,159
lot of people just didn't want to talk

736
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:57,039
about it which is quite amazing

737
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,880
yeah that is the story i remember that

738
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:00,960
jumps out at me as well as her story um

739
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,279
is yeah she you know represents people

740
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,039
that live there and it's her job to

741
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,840
bring their concerns forward and if they

742
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,360
are having this you know it's a yeah

743
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,679
it's a concerning thing to have happen

744
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,919
um and it didn't seem like anybody was

745
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,360
taking it seriously or offering a decent

746
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:17,200
response because at first you know they

747
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:18,159
didn't come right out and say it was

748
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,440
flares that like i think they just

749
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,120
didn't have any comment yeah and then of

750
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,640
course you have the story kind of

751
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,320
snowballed over time

752
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,919
and then the governor five seventeen had

753
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,279
that press conference where they dressed

754
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:29,120
the guy up in the alien suit and that

755
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,399
was sort of like i guess pretty

756
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,840
insulting to her

757
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,960
um but that's another thing that's

758
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:34,240
interesting about it to me and maybe

759
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:35,279
just sort of another layer of the

760
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,880
mystery is like

761
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,720
the phoenix lights happened in march and

762
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:40,880
then it's on being talked about on us on

763
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:43,600
good morning america and uh it's it's in

764
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:46,159
print in usa today only in june much

765
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:47,760
later in that year

766
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:49,120
like

767
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,640
why did it why did it take so long to

768
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:52,080
get there was it just because the story

769
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,679
kept building or was it

770
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,360
that's when they decided to cover it as

771
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,919
a distraction from yet something else

772
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,200
that's just you know that's the other

773
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:01,120
thing i think about like another guy

774
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:02,559
part of the design of the first half of

775
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,919
the movie is that

776
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:06,000
um josh okay so the movie takes place in

777
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:07,520
two different timelines it's it's

778
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,919
material from 1997 intercut with modern

779
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,919
day material and so our story is about

780
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,200
this kid josh bishop who films the

781
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,120
phoenix lights and then weeks later

782
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,360
disappears along with two of his friends

783
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,720
but the first half of the movie is told

784
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:20,399
from the point of view of of his kid

785
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,960
sister all grown up now a 26 year old

786
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,120
woman who returns to phoenix to make her

787
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:27,039
own documentary about her brother's

788
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,320
disappearance

789
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,080
and at first this character doesn't

790
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,600
really entertain the idea that josh got

791
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,760
abducted by aliens to her it's just more

792
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,360
obvious that well he got murdered or

793
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,120
kidnapped or they just drove out there

794
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:39,039
and encountered some natural accident

795
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:40,480
got lost in the desert

796
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,679
and then over the course of the first

797
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,440
half of the movie as she does these she

798
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,120
interviews not only family members but

799
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:47,039
members of law enforcement who helps

800
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,640
look for the kids

801
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:50,080
she starts to go down her brother's

802
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,520
rabbit hole a little bit and start to

803
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,520
suspect geez what if

804
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,039
i sound crazy what if josh did get

805
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,799
abducted by aliens and then at that

806
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,559
point the movie kind of takes a turn

807
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:00,320
um

808
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,600
wow

809
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,600
no that sounds great um now

810
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:06,720
this this is a big kind of a big budget

811
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,990
i mean i guess or no it's like it still

812
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,760
cost uh

813
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,360
more than the last movie i was involved

814
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,240
with in a big way i guess um

815
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,880
but uh it's still nowhere near

816
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,640
the scope of what you normally see in a

817
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,559
theater um it is more in the vein of

818
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,240
these uh

819
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,080
smaller horror horror movies and found

820
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,919
footage movies um

821
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,760
so i definitely was very fortunate that

822
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:33,679
really scott got involved and we can

823
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,399
release it as largely in such a big way

824
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:38,320
um but it was still a pretty scrappy

825
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,520
product yeah that's that's kind of what

826
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,120
i was talking about not just the budget

827
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:43,840
itself but the actual promotion of it

828
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:46,240
um you know it's funny i um

829
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:47,120
i

830
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,799
on your uh

831
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:59,120
on your youtube video and then they sent

832
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:00,640
me the link to the trailer and i thought

833
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,679
wow yeah so i mean the advertisement has

834
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:05,360
been strong i would say

835
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:06,159
and

836
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,200
so does that mean you have to you have

837
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,440
to treat me as a sponsor

838
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,679
right and then someone in the chat room

839
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:13,200
just wrote that they were watched a

840
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,960
movie the other night and they saw a big

841
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,279
you know ad for this coming out yeah

842
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,799
okay cool so

843
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,480
yeah um

844
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,000
we tried to make as good a movie for you

845
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,880
guys as we could it's really inspired by

846
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,799
um you know like i mentioned spielberg's

847
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,320
close encounters the player witch

848
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,960
project but also documentaries i love

849
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:33,039
made by filmmakers like earl morris and

850
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,399
verna herzog

851
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,000
so we just tried to kind of do something

852
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,320
new with the device and um

853
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:40,640
yeah use this real event try treat that

854
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,679
as uh as um you know delicately as we

855
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:45,360
could but also then kind of continue the

856
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,120
story a little bit and give our take on

857
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:49,200
what we think it might be

858
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:50,240
and that's eventually what these kids

859
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,440
encounter in the desert which you see at

860
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,559
the end of the movie now i saw in the

861
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:54,640
trailer there's some special effects did

862
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,480
you have a lot of that in in the movie

863
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,360
we did um i started out my career doing

864
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,440
digital effects and

865
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,440
over time as people came to me to ask me

866
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,600
my advice for their own various projects

867
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,200
i started saying you know what try not

868
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:10,960
to use a computer

869
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:13,279
um just try do it in some practical way

870
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,720
like they did in the old days because

871
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:16,080
it's usually just cheaper faster and

872
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,600
looks better and there are of course

873
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,519
some things you can't do but

874
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,279
with those experiences in mind i really

875
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,279
try to do as much in in the real world

876
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,760
as possible as we say in camera and

877
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:27,120
that's the kind of stuff people i found

878
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:28,559
people got excited about was those old

879
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,760
school close encounters style effects

880
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:33,600
um so we tried to do that as much as

881
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,640
possible for the big stuff from the

882
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,840
movie and that also kind of helped make

883
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,000
it make it real for the actors and then

884
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,840
of course there are some some digital

885
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,880
effects

886
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,200
but we just i hope i always try to

887
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:45,039
to like start the shot in the real world

888
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,919
and then

889
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,760
use digital effects as a way to extend

890
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:49,120
something you've already photographed

891
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,960
yeah we actually had doug trumbull on

892
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,840
this

893
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,159
show at one time he did the uh special

894
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:56,559
effects for close encounters in a number

895
00:33:02,470 --> 00:32:59,279
of uh great movies yeah

896
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:02,480
he's actually into the ufo uh topic and

897
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,279
has built what's called euphotog which

898
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,840
is a way to actually detect ufos it

899
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:09,760
started out it was all this equipment in

900
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,880
a hummer

901
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,200
that used to drive out into you know

902
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:14,799
areas where there may be sightings or

903
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,120
something like that now he has um these

904
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,279
little platforms himself and mark

905
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,640
d'antonio

906
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,960
um are putting together to put these

907
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,440
little units all over detectors ufo

908
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,360
detectors all over the place

909
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:29,519
that should be interesting i saw

910
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,600
i saw on reddit the other day

911
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:33,200
some test footage from a new night

912
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:34,480
vision camera

913
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:35,279
that

914
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:37,039
it looks plain it looks bright as day

915
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,240
but it's the middle of the night and all

916
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,640
the stars are just blazing in the sky

917
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:42,159
um and i think the first question

918
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,600
somebody put on there was like hey do

919
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:45,279
you think we can use this for ufo yeah

920
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,320
well you know

921
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,399
the one problem i have to say with

922
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,720
night vision and ufos you see a lot of

923
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,279
things at night that really

924
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:55,840
for instance insects you can pick up an

925
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,440
insect at night and i was out in phoenix

926
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:01,039
a few years ago and

927
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:04,720
and was using ben hansen's night vision

928
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,159
and uh saw a bat and the bat looked like

929
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,399
a ufo because they moved so erratically

930
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,960
you know i mean it and so i think you

931
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:15,040
can pick up a lot of um

932
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,560
yes they're ufos because you don't know

933
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:18,240
what they are but not real ufos

934
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,280
basically

935
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,280
yeah so you got to use caution when

936
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:23,200
you're using that um

937
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,480
now when you were doing the research you

938
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:28,399
said you actually went to phoenix

939
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,280
um so you get pretty deeply into

940
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:33,919
um what actually happened and then just

941
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:36,560
you did a documentary on basically that

942
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:37,359
right

943
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,320
and then

944
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,240
how does it fall into the the found

945
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,720
footage from there

946
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,399
well well really what i did i did a

947
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:46,639
couple trips there on my own as just

948
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:47,679
research

949
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,720
but

950
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:50,079
basically i have these characters in the

951
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,599
movie and in 1997 josh is the kid behind

952
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,679
the camera making his own documentary as

953
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:57,040
a high school student

954
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,800
and then in modern day in modern day his

955
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,320
sister all grown up is making a

956
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:03,119
documentary as a 25 year old young

957
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,640
filmmaker would make

958
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,240
i kind of modeled her on other

959
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,760
documentary filmmakers i know in real

960
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,000
life and the style of her movie is in

961
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,640
the style of like making of a murderer

962
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:14,000
it's contemporary there's editing

963
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,839
there's

964
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,720
music but

965
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,240
in terms of making the movie i

966
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,160
essentially just here's a good example

967
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,839
um so sophie in modern day she

968
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:23,760
interviews a private investigator in

969
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,560
phoenix who who the family had hired to

970
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,320
look into josh's disappearance once the

971
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,320
official search was called off and i

972
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,160
found a real private investigator in

973
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,960
phoenix and i made him a fake case file

974
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:36,400
with the characters in the movie and

975
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,520
what happened to them and all the

976
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,520
evidence that was found by the police i

977
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:41,040
told him to study it

978
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:42,880
and then on the day

979
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,359
sophie my played by florence hartigan

980
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,920
she just played the character and sat in

981
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,680
front of sat next to the camera and

982
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:51,200
interviewed the real private

983
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,400
investigator

984
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,640
and he he used what he studied but also

985
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,920
applied his own law enforcement

986
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,520
experience and then that that footage is

987
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,760
in the movie so you see this this kind

988
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:01,280
of arrow more style interview with this

989
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:02,079
guy

990
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,040
and then there's also a search and

991
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:05,119
rescue pilot we did in that way and then

992
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,560
in 1997

993
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,400
one of the first things josh does after

994
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,760
the phoenix light sighting is that he

995
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,079
and his friend ashley they go interview

996
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,720
a couple of local astronomers

997
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,480
and i found these two guys living in

998
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,079
phoenix and they formed the

999
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,599
members of the phoenix astronomical

1000
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,599
society wow i think one was the

1001
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,880
treasurer and the other one was the

1002
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,920
editor

1003
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,200
mike and don

1004
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,880
and these are the kind of guys that when

1005
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,480
you uh when you see something weird in

1006
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:29,839
the sky they kind of they're the ones

1007
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:31,040
who get the phone call you know like

1008
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,400
when somebody calls

1009
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,160
in whoever reporting that they see

1010
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,480
something weird in the sky they call the

1011
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,720
astronomers and they debunk it or say

1012
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,480
it's a weather balloon or whatever but

1013
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,720
anyway i did a scene in 1997 where josh

1014
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,240
and ashley my actors playing those

1015
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,480
characters go interview these two

1016
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:48,000
astronomers

1017
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,599
and so that was all kind of in an effort

1018
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,079
to just bring a lot of realism to that

1019
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,960
first half of the movie uh-huh

1020
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,320
and of course they say that the phoenix

1021
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,119
lights was military flames right right

1022
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,640
uh you want to go the other way the

1023
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,800
other way i'm sorry toward the bicycle

1024
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:04,000
yeah

1025
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,280
you up here um and

1026
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,119
so wow that's that's interesting that

1027
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,040
that must have it's really good if you

1028
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,599
can get someone uh especially

1029
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:18,160
um someone that is actually in the field

1030
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,680
like a real detective or something like

1031
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,119
that i mean they just play the part so

1032
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,720
naturally

1033
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,880
it's like completely yeah completely wow

1034
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,640
well i'm looking forward to see if my uh

1035
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:28,480
son and i will probably go uh check it

1036
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,440
out

1037
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:31,920
um it sounds interesting and i'm sure

1038
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:35,119
it's in the boston area

1039
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,720
yeah it's definitely um i was born in

1040
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,480
boston actually um but it's definitely a

1041
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,880
good father-son movie um the dad played

1042
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,640
by clint jordan is one of my favorite

1043
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:44,000
characters he just gives an amazing

1044
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,520
performance um

1045
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:47,119
and i think it's like it's like those

1046
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,560
great spielberg movies they have just

1047
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,640
enough family drama and just enough sort

1048
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,839
of interpersonal

1049
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,000
uh drama to really have you invest in

1050
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:55,920
the characters so that then when you go

1051
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:58,240
on this kind of genre ride and you have

1052
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,359
these more

1053
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:01,280
tense scenes later hopefully those are

1054
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:02,560
more impactful because you care about

1055
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,680
the characters

1056
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,359
so i hope you enjoyed yourself

1057
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:07,680
now um what

1058
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,240
had you had any interest you you kind of

1059
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,000
mentioned you had some interest in like

1060
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,240
close encounters and things like that um

1061
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,240
had you ever someone always asked this

1062
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:18,960
in every show just about have you ever

1063
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,440
had any type of ufo sighting yourself or

1064
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:23,839
anything like that

1065
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,800
yeah i have one story i guess um and

1066
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,240
that and so basically what happened was

1067
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,640
i was in the dragon drakesburg mountains

1068
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,400
in south africa which is a really remote

1069
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:34,079
region with my brother and we were

1070
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,680
staying in this little cabin

1071
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,359
and he had gone to sleep one night and i

1072
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,720
was awake reading

1073
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,839
and

1074
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:42,000
suddenly a bright light shone into the

1075
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,440
room there was one window and it had

1076
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,359
sheer curtains on it so i couldn't quite

1077
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,200
see outside but it was thin enough that

1078
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:49,280
light could penetrate this bright light

1079
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:50,640
shone in and it was definitely coming

1080
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,280
from an elevated advantage from above

1081
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,960
and it's shown in the room and at first

1082
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,960
it did appear to be stationary but then

1083
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,560
the light shifted because i distinctly

1084
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:00,079
remember the shadows on my brother's

1085
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,599
face moving

1086
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,160
but i don't remember hearing and then it

1087
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,400
was gone and i hustled my brother awake

1088
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:08,240
but by the time he woke up it was all

1089
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,599
normal

1090
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,200
that's always the way at the time i

1091
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:13,440
don't yeah i don't remember hearing a

1092
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:14,720
truck i don't remember hearing a

1093
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,920
helicopter

1094
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,359
you know and years later i wonder if

1095
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,880
maybe i just didn't hear it

1096
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:20,560
um but you know it could have also been

1097
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:21,440
like

1098
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,560
it wasn't raining that night but it

1099
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:23,839
could have been like bald lightning i

1100
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:26,079
guess or like a meteor explosion that

1101
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,760
lit up the whole sky

1102
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:29,680
but uh that's that's my little story and

1103
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,480
then

1104
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:32,320
the cool thing about this movie is that

1105
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,440
a lot of people kind of have a story

1106
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,280
like that and uh among the cast and the

1107
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,440
crew we all got to share our little

1108
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,200
campfire stories about ufos as we were

1109
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,680
making the movie and a lot of them

1110
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,280
actually made it into the movie as

1111
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,040
scenes or in one way oh that's a great

1112
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,359
idea yeah you know it's funny when i've

1113
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,720
been i've been at this since i don't

1114
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,800
know uh 2011

1115
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,240
and uh

1116
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:54,800
whenever the topic comes up in

1117
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,160
you know mixed company i should say um

1118
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,240
and i'm i'm not usually the one that to

1119
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,720
bring it up you know somehow um if

1120
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,240
someone sees that i do the show or

1121
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,599
something online or whatever you know

1122
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,000
that's how a lot of times it but i don't

1123
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,160
normally talk about you know doing this

1124
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,640
show to just anyone out there

1125
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,640
but uh and because of the the silly

1126
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,160
ridicule factor you know i'm a

1127
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:18,720
professional too you know i'm also uh

1128
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:20,560
you know in the fine arts and antiques

1129
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,119
and things like that but anyway um when

1130
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:25,839
it does happen to come up um it's it's

1131
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,320
almost like every other person has had

1132
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,760
something happen

1133
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,760
you know that's unexplainable or they

1134
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,440
think is unexplainable maybe it's not

1135
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:35,119
unexplainable but

1136
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,640
according to them

1137
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:39,119
you know so it's not it's not the

1138
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:40,640
foolish thing

1139
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,960
uh as it used to be anyway

1140
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,640
that's kind of my observation as well i

1141
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,880
just see maybe it's a generational thing

1142
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:50,480
but um

1143
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,760
definitely more

1144
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,960
i don't know maybe it's just i haven't

1145
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,480
been in i've only been in certain

1146
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,839
circles but

1147
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,680
i have not quite encountered as much of

1148
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:59,680
that sort of um scoffing and ridicule

1149
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,359
about ufos as

1150
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:03,119
as sort of as classically talked about

1151
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,880
like when you watch older

1152
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,880
genre movies um

1153
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:08,720
i don't know if that's because more and

1154
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,319
more younger generations are conditioned

1155
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:11,920
by sci-fi

1156
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:13,760
or if it's or some people will tell you

1157
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,960
it's because they're intentionally

1158
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:17,040
conditioning us for the invasion event

1159
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,760
you know um but yeah that is a that is

1160
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,520
my observation as well it's just a lot

1161
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:23,280
of people

1162
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,119
have seen something yeah well i i do

1163
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,119
think in a way that

1164
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,119
i think we are being conditioned by

1165
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:31,440
science you know basically because of

1166
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,480
all the

1167
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,720
you know the uh

1168
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:36,880
earth-like planets that are found and

1169
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,280
all the possibilities and recently the

1170
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,200
uh possibility of uh

1171
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:42,800
you know the moon on saturn we talked

1172
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,200
about in the news earlier that's spewing

1173
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:48,160
out this liquid very similar to what

1174
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,599
supports microbes in our own ocean

1175
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:53,200
so you know i mean

1176
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:54,880
i think we are being conditioned by

1177
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,520
science and i think you know

1178
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,000
i actually do think that

1179
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,920
my personal thoughts are that i think

1180
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:03,920
that we are being visited because

1181
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,160
there's just so many unexplained

1182
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:07,920
um things happening

1183
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,400
but um i i don't have any idea who we're

1184
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,920
being visited by

1185
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,520
um now

1186
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:15,680
uh

1187
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,440
with that being said i think that um you

1188
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,160
know overall we are being conditioned

1189
00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:24,960
because by science we may find out

1190
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,160
the real proof that there is

1191
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,000
extraterrestrial life um as far as

1192
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,200
physical evidence that we find here by

1193
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,680
someone visiting us it's been elusive so

1194
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:37,280
far

1195
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,319
and

1196
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,880
speaking to other scientists about that

1197
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,359
topic they say unless you give me a

1198
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,520
hubcap off of a flying saucer i'm not

1199
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,599
going to you know believe that they're

1200
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:50,000
actually here you know

1201
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:51,520
physical evidence

1202
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:54,720
that that and that's that's also uh what

1203
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:57,200
mike one of the astronomers said uh the

1204
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,800
astronomers i interviewed and that are

1205
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,280
in the movie um are were very skeptical

1206
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,800
about the phoenix lights they seem to

1207
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:04,960
think that they are military flares um

1208
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:07,359
however they themselves did have

1209
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,560
experience of seeing something in the

1210
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,800
sky that they couldn't quite explain

1211
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,960
but mike what he brought up was yes if

1212
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:15,200
they are out there it's more likely that

1213
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,800
they are um

1214
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,280
are distant uh descendants uh time

1215
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:21,680
travelers or interdimensional beings

1216
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:24,880
um that could be just as likely to him

1217
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,760
than

1218
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,359
another race having to traverse the

1219
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:29,040
immensity of the universe to come to us

1220
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:29,839
so

1221
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:33,040
another

1222
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,720
couple of movies i love from back in the

1223
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,400
day around the time that x-files you

1224
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:38,000
know it's funny the 90s was sort of like

1225
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,280
it all got very popular there for a

1226
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:41,119
second at least it seemed to me but i

1227
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,040
read a book uh by a guy named whitley

1228
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,960
streeter i think called communion

1229
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,560
and then there's that christopher walken

1230
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,880
movie where uh that he plays the guy who

1231
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:50,240
gets abducted by aliens and there's this

1232
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:51,599
one terrifying scene where he wakes up

1233
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,119
in the middle of the night and he sees

1234
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,440
the the gray alien just kind of peekaboo

1235
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:57,119
behind the uh the dresser or whatever it

1236
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,839
is

1237
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:59,680
and then there's fire in the sky

1238
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,119
which is a great abduction movie but

1239
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,680
also what i've been told is not at all

1240
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,280
close to that guy's actual story

1241
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,960
although it's based on a real event

1242
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,560
so in terms of the abduction phenomena

1243
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,319
i'm also sort of on the fence like i'm

1244
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,680
waiting for proof

1245
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,960
but there are so many people kind of

1246
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,640
having these experiences

1247
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,480
i just i i guess my thing about that

1248
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:18,240
since i've been asked we've made a movie

1249
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,680
about alien reduction in terms of my

1250
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,280
real opinion

1251
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,720
i think it's just as likely everyone's

1252
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,560
having maybe some sort of collective uh

1253
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,640
psycho psychological experience

1254
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,560
more so than there's aliens coming i'm

1255
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,920
gonna get i'm gonna get hate mail for

1256
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:31,920
you saying that

1257
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,880
no i'm just kidding um no i i under i

1258
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,560
understand what you're saying and and uh

1259
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,240
you know what when you do take cases

1260
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,640
like travis walton and fire in the sky

1261
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:42,880
um you know i've spoken to travis many

1262
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,280
times he's been a a guest a number of

1263
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,280
times and i've um talked to him in

1264
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,280
person about that whole situation and he

1265
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,920
said that he would rather the movie had

1266
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,680
been made the way it was made than not

1267
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,880
made at all

1268
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,359
because uh there was a lot of things

1269
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:59,200
that were held close to the truth but

1270
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,119
you know the thing about him

1271
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:03,680
um you know being on you know waking up

1272
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,319
and this like uh cocoon type thing and

1273
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:08,079
stuff like that that you know that never

1274
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,440
happened but there are a number of

1275
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:11,280
things that did happen but he he just

1276
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:16,230
we kind of wrestled with i wrestled with

1277
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:17,520
that a little bit personally as well in

1278
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,760
that like you mentioned dr kitty was on

1279
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,839
your show so dr cuddy is a woman who's

1280
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,599
made a documentary about the phoenix

1281
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,800
lights called the phoenix lights that

1282
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:26,240
you can find on amazon and it's just

1283
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,760
straight up documentary

1284
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,520
it's not fictionalized at all

1285
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:31,119
and so

1286
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,800
i you know here i am this is a real

1287
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:34,160
event you know like we were talking

1288
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:35,520
about with the city councilwoman people

1289
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,520
take it really seriously and then here i

1290
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,839
am making a movie really to be consumed

1291
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,680
as entertainment and where i'm now

1292
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,359
inserting fictionalization into this

1293
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,680
real world event and so should i feel

1294
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,800
like i'm doing

1295
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,040
them a disservice because of that

1296
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,880
and then in reality dr kaity i talked to

1297
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,480
her in the course of working on this

1298
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,640
movie and i did license some material

1299
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,720
from her documentary certain shots that

1300
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,560
are in my movie as well so in the end

1301
00:46:01,510 --> 00:46:00,720
she was supportive i guess

1302
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,520
but

1303
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,040
yeah i guess it's i don't know that was

1304
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,880
just something that that we wrestled

1305
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,160
with a little bit here as well as like

1306
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,240
is it ethical really um so

1307
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,079
i did it anyway yeah yeah

1308
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:11,839
um so you're thinking basically that

1309
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,000
might muddy the waters of the true event

1310
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:16,000
is that what you're

1311
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,359
i'm surprised that travis would have

1312
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:19,839
that opinion i guess yeah i mean yeah

1313
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:20,800
well

1314
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:25,520
there was another movie that was made

1315
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,800
you know it's an online movie i um um

1316
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,640
that was made about you know the phoenix

1317
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,400
lights it kind of had like found footage

1318
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:35,040
and all that you know

1319
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,319
so you know

1320
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:38,160
yeah there are that being said that you

1321
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:39,520
know there are movies have been made

1322
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:40,480
about the phoenix lights that are

1323
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,800
fictional and some of them are um also

1324
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:43,920
found footage

1325
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:47,280
movies and preparing to make this movie

1326
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,480
like the paranormal movies and the

1327
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,400
original bear witch i intentionally

1328
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:52,240
avoided watching other phoenix lights

1329
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,200
movies

1330
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,720
although i have seen those trailers and

1331
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,960
i think ours is pretty different and um

1332
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:58,480
i guess what i have to say is like

1333
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,839
there's armageddon and there's deep

1334
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:01,680
impact and i like both there's room for

1335
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,720
both

1336
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,480
and this is kind of what our take is on

1337
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,640
the phoenix lights and i think our our

1338
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,640
characters are pretty unique so

1339
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,720
you know i i hope people like all both

1340
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:13,200
of them yeah well um

1341
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,240
and had you looked into other ufo

1342
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:17,440
sightings as well do you have an

1343
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:18,880
interest in

1344
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:21,280
and uh and ufos

1345
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,920
you know in in general yeah when

1346
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,920
when i was a kid i was growing up in

1347
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:27,920
florida south florida but you always

1348
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,319
heard about oh yeah breeze which is a

1349
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:32,160
little town and the panhandle very close

1350
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,440
to where i went to school i went to

1351
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:35,440
school in tallahassee florida which is

1352
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,800
in the panhandle so you could drive over

1353
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:39,040
to gulf breeze and hang out

1354
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,720
which i did a couple times just like on

1355
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,800
road trips uh with friends

1356
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:44,160
you know that was sort of exciting it's

1357
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:45,280
like you find

1358
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,400
you know it's that situation where you

1359
00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:48,720
go to you go to college and you lose all

1360
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,560
your high school friends and some of

1361
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:52,480
some of the first people i met and got

1362
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,680
was able to talk to or just other

1363
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:55,040
x-files fans

1364
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,319
so it was cool to just take little road

1365
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:58,079
trips out to gulf breeze uh we never saw

1366
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,520
anything though but um always wanted to

1367
00:48:04,550 --> 00:48:02,960
but other than that now i live in the

1368
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,560
southwest and the american southwest is

1369
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,280
a great place for ufo sightings

1370
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:09,119
one thing they say about arizona is you

1371
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:10,319
know there's a lot of military bases

1372
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,200
there

1373
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,640
uh because they do a lot of aerial

1374
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,800
testing because the skies are so clear

1375
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:17,200
and it's so big and open and flat um and

1376
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,560
there's no there's less clouds so it's

1377
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,400
an ideal place to test aircraft

1378
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,079
but in that same sense you can just see

1379
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:23,680
a lot of the sky

1380
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,800
and so

1381
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,119
the further west i come in america the

1382
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,440
more ufo stories i hear

1383
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:31,200
and in making this movie not only did i

1384
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,800
go to phoenix and you know investigate

1385
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:34,079
the phoenix lights as best as i could

1386
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,119
but

1387
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:37,200
and we did shoot in arizona um for a

1388
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,559
little bit but we shot mostly in

1389
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,839
california

1390
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:41,680
but i was able to to go out to southern

1391
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,119
california there was a state park called

1392
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,960
anza verrago state park

1393
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:46,240
and that's where we shot some of the

1394
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,520
daytime desert exteriors it's just a

1395
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,119
really beautiful desolate desert

1396
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,720
landscape and it looks more like the

1397
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,640
arizona desert than places closer to los

1398
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,760
angeles

1399
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,599
but we stopped at a gas station down

1400
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:57,440
there and tried to interview some just

1401
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,800
people on the street

1402
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,720
about their own ufo experiences and we

1403
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,400
did talk to a couple of guys

1404
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:03,680
who had seen stuff locally and

1405
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,720
supposedly there's a place called

1406
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,720
palomar mountain which is in southern

1407
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:08,319
california that there is an observatory

1408
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,440
on top of

1409
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,680
but this one guy i was talking to swears

1410
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,960
that if you go up there any night of the

1411
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,359
week you'll be able to see something

1412
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:17,359
it's just a kind of a little local ufo

1413
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,640
hotspot he said

1414
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,160
and i've yet to go out there but that's

1415
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,920
kind of like next time i'm in the area

1416
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,680
i'll definitely try standby

1417
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:25,359
um you know there are

1418
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:28,720
the hot spots is one of the things that

1419
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:31,119
is kind of unexplainable all by itself

1420
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:32,240
and i know

1421
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,680
that um

1422
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,079
the phoenix area you know that's not the

1423
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:37,760
only time they have actually seen a

1424
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,240
large triangle over phoenix and there's

1425
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,319
been many sightings there's a i think

1426
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,559
the 2005 there was a

1427
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,240
uh quite a sighting there too you just

1428
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,280
don't hear about it as much

1429
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,520
yeah i did actually i did aggregate as

1430
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:53,520
much material as i could and about the

1431
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,800
phoenix lights just like in terms of

1432
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,880
news clips and it was cool to see

1433
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,640
every couple of years there was some

1434
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,400
more hype or there was another sighting

1435
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,760
sometimes it was the you know every time

1436
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,359
the university would roll around they

1437
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,800
would run local news reports about it

1438
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,720
again but then there were a couple times

1439
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:09,359
where something similar was seen

1440
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,319
and that's

1441
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,920
that's what gives the the phoenix lights

1442
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,760
i think that urban legend kind of

1443
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,200
quality the fact that you know maybe

1444
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:17,119
every now and then it comes back yeah

1445
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,559
and then yeah what is the thing about

1446
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,240
the tri the triangle shape is a common

1447
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:22,079
thing it's like one of the guys i talked

1448
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,119
to that gas station in southern

1449
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,800
california he described

1450
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,319
driving through an area that's very

1451
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,079
desolate it's a place where people go

1452
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,079
like four-wheeling and off-roading

1453
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,839
and he's driving out down this highway

1454
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,359
desert highway at night and he saw two

1455
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:36,079
big black triangle forms moving around

1456
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,000
as if they were looking for something

1457
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,319
in the desert and so they just were they

1458
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:42,960
almost sitting still um a lot of times

1459
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:45,599
you hear about triangles just sitting

1460
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,480
you know or just barely moving is it

1461
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,640
he described them essentially as i did

1462
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,640
he seemed to describe them like moving

1463
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,240
slowly as if they were scanning you know

1464
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,599
as if they were looking for something he

1465
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,440
did so it was moving but it wasn't like

1466
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,960
flying around the way a stealth fighter

1467
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,400
stealth fighter would or anything you

1468
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,359
know it's funny um i was involved on a

1469
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,760
show recently with uh

1470
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,599
a friend of this show uh jordan

1471
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,079
bonaparte up in canada there was the

1472
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,480
james blackwood sighting

1473
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,960
up in nova scotia

1474
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:17,280
where um there was a

1475
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:20,480
an amazing ufo i think was back in 1975

1476
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:24,240
and that's the the uh the constable that

1477
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,520
um was the main person james blackwood

1478
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,520
said it looked like it was searching for

1479
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,119
something you know he basically said the

1480
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,119
same thing it was it was almost like

1481
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:35,119
sitting in one spot and just like moving

1482
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:37,040
around and you know spinning around

1483
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,160
almost like it was searching for

1484
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,319
something so you do hear of those

1485
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:42,000
bizarre things the triangles are

1486
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,280
something else

1487
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:45,359
um it just you know people are

1488
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,319
speculating that their advanced military

1489
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,400
i don't know about that it just seems

1490
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,839
you know is it possible it could be

1491
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,440
hidden for so long because their

1492
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,280
sightings all the way back you know

1493
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,440
literally back a hundred years but um

1494
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:58,800
you know a lot of sightings all the way

1495
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,119
back into the 70s could something like

1496
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,160
that be hidden this long i mean that's

1497
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:06,319
crazy

1498
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,839
and then on the other hand that same guy

1499
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,680
who described to me seeing those two

1500
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,280
black triangle forms

1501
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,839
he also told a different story he was

1502
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,520
working at a golf course

1503
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,119
and he saw a crowd of people kind of

1504
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,960
crowded around part of the green and he

1505
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,079
walks over to them and he realizes

1506
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,920
they're all looking up into the sky and

1507
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:23,920
he looks up and he sees

1508
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,200
he describes

1509
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:27,119
something that looked like an angel

1510
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,960
and he described it as dancing around up

1511
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:30,640
there as if it was playing he

1512
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:32,079
specifically said it felt like it was

1513
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:33,200
playing

1514
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,319
um and it

1515
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:36,400
he said it was very very high up but it

1516
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:37,680
they thought they could make out like a

1517
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,880
humanoid humanoid form and wings

1518
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,319
and danced around and danced around

1519
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,839
playing and there were other people

1520
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,680
looking at this he said and then it just

1521
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:47,839
went up up up up and it was gone yeah

1522
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:48,720
there's

1523
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,800
this world you know i do another show as

1524
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,720
well and i'm gonna be looking a little

1525
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:56,319
more into that but

1526
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,359
there are just so many things and um you

1527
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:00,880
know i've had this conversation before

1528
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,079
sometimes the more bizarre it is

1529
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,480
almost the more believable it is you

1530
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:08,319
know i mean well that's

1531
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,000
that's the challenge though too is like

1532
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:12,400
that guy i totally felt very genuine to

1533
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,680
me but you know at the end of the day

1534
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,119
was it a plastic bag like it could have

1535
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:16,960
been

1536
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,160
yeah yeah

1537
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,880
like um you know 90 of these things are

1538
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:22,960
explainable and you know

1539
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,079
uh a plastic bag in new york uh new york

1540
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:28,240
city they say that you know a lot of the

1541
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,440
sightings that are

1542
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,200
that are seen in the city are actually

1543
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,280
plastic bags flying around there's a lot

1544
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,599
of wind currents between the buildings

1545
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,760
and things like that so that does happen

1546
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:39,119
quite often

1547
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,720
but um so

1548
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,040
after this movie let's just say it's a

1549
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,960
great success you do really well are you

1550
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,839
gonna

1551
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,920
try to keep in this same type of genre

1552
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:49,440
are you going to would you have anything

1553
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:54,150
yeah i've been definitely thinking about

1554
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,920
it i have a couple stories kicking

1555
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:57,280
around i've definitely come up with a

1556
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,400
couple

1557
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:59,920
uh you know you start exploring this

1558
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,760
device for one project it just sticks in

1559
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,359
your brain a little bit so

1560
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:05,359
um yeah like what is the cryptozoology

1561
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,359
version of this movie um

1562
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,440
that can be told in a similar device you

1563
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,880
know like that's something i've been

1564
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,400
thinking about not necessarily a bigfoot

1565
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,240
movie but

1566
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:16,160
that's just kind of also a sort of hobby

1567
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,599
of mine it's like i love the bigfoot

1568
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,839
subreddit um

1569
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,680
but you could do a movie where it's like

1570
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,680
they're finally trying to get proof and

1571
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,680
they set up all these cameras and then

1572
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:27,040
you explore

1573
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,400
you know a story about some characters

1574
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,839
getting lost in the woods and finding

1575
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,920
something that way um

1576
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,200
and then and then on the other hand i

1577
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:34,640
just love uh

1578
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,760
you know i love a good adventure i love

1579
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,440
a good yarn and i don't think you

1580
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,880
necessarily have to use this device in

1581
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:41,200
order to do that but i'm always drawn to

1582
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,720
i am drawn to these types of stories

1583
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,240
like adventure stories and sci-fi

1584
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,520
stories so

1585
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:47,119
um if this movie if enough of your

1586
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,040
viewers see this movie as well then

1587
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,960
there's a chance we could do a sequel so

1588
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,559
let's keep that in mind oh yeah they

1589
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,240
always say the sequel is not as good as

1590
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,839
the first one right

1591
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:57,440
so you gotta really you gotta you gotta

1592
00:55:01,430 --> 00:55:00,319
break that mold really

1593
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,440
yeah i would argue that there's some

1594
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,280
good ones yeah there are a few yeah but

1595
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:05,040
your but but yeah they can't it's hard

1596
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,480
to find one that can stand on its own

1597
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,680
for sure but

1598
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,119
yeah that is the case that's the danger

1599
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:11,440
yeah well um i think we're gonna we're

1600
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,559
gonna um call it here and i'm gonna say

1601
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,119
uh thanks so much for joining the show

1602
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:19,359
and uh so listeners uh people are

1603
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,559
listening right now i'm going to ask you

1604
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:22,720
to start calling in i'll put that screen

1605
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:23,760
up

1606
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:26,319
so um i want to thank you so much and i

1607
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,920
wish you all the success in the world um

1608
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:31,839
with with the show i hope it does uh

1609
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,880
hope it does really well for you

1610
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:36,240
thank you thanks for having me and

1611
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,760
everyone who's listening we try to make

1612
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:39,520
as good a movie as we could for you

1613
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,720
and uh

1614
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,319
if you don't if you if anything i said

1615
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:44,240
offended you i apologize i'm honestly

1616
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:45,680
very open-minded about it all i just

1617
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:46,559
tend to

1618
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,839
like like i think i said earlier i've

1619
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,960
become a little bit more like dana

1620
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:50,400
scully than fox muller as i've gotten

1621
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,839
older so

1622
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:53,920
thanks everybody all right okay thanks a

1623
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,000
lot and take care now

1624
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:00,309
okay everyone

1625
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,520
so uh i would love for you to

1626
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,319
call in or skype in if you would